Karen can't help but smile a little at that, just barely biting back a laugh. Part of her can't help but wonder what Matt and Foggy would have to say about that — nothing good, probably, when it involves the word illegally — but she's never been as hung up on things like that as they are. If it accomplishes something good, and, obviously, that's the intention here, then it's worth it, sometimes even necessary. Following the rules doesn't always get a person anywhere. She knows that as well as anyone else.

"Then the old fashioned way it is," she says, maybe a little more cheerfully than the subject should call for. He makes it hard to help, though.