"Staring at the problem has never helped anyone," she opines, gesturing for him to walk with her. "Let's walk a bit, see if we can't let the cool air and the movement to give us some ideas," she says, bundling up her jacket a little as she waits for him at the front of the warehouse, feeling rather wary about the whole business.

She has no solution, but perhaps they're having the wrong discussion.

Slowly beginning to walk with no purpose or direction, she waits a few moments to speak. "Have you considered that what the team looked like before isn't necessarily what it ought to look like?"